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[Carr D' Argo]

As new here, I do not know how old you are and what you are interested, but I guess as people from around the world there is no way you do not care what happens in the world. I would be interested to know what you think for Europe and what it becomes? How this will affect the Great Powers? will unite countries in Europe attempted terrorist acts? What impact will put Turkey in the European Union?

[Wookjedi]

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[Carr D' Argo]

Really? Glad you realize it, but I can not understand this part with Lego? I think the topic is not about your childhood.

[Wookjedi]

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[SonicPants]

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Precisely.

[GothicDream]

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[Ivaj]

Oh come on if she wants to have a political conversation we should respect that and not spam her topic. This is not the spam section.

 

On topic:

 

Europe is on a path way to getting demographic problems with an ageing population with to many retired people to support. Europe must one day realize that immigration is not the problem but the solution to the upcoming demographic problem.

[Fasttea]

Europe is on a path way to getting demographic problems with an ageing population with to many retired people to support. Europe must one day realize that immigration is not the problem but the solution to the upcoming demographic problem.

 

I'd disagree almost entirely.

 

The European Union already allows practically unlimited immigration between it's member countries. The United Kingdom is getting a huge amount of it, and it putting stress on everything.

 

While the European ideal is admirable, the execution is a bureaucracy composed of red-tape and wasteful nonsense. I believe that the administration is handled in three separate places; Brussels (Belgium), Paris (France) and a city in Germany (that alas I cannot recall).

 

Immigration can help people to become friends with and learn about other societies, which is essential. However, the EU take this to the extreme, allowing immigrants into countries until there's a strain on the local services (provided by the domestic tax-payer). The amount of mainland European people that have made a home in the UK over the last few years beggars belief. Worse, they come over here to work, and then send the money home to their family who live where it's cheaper.

 

It puts a squeeze on everything, from the job market to the education system, and that has a knock-on effect on people's attitude towards European citizens. It does, in fact, make the people of the UK resent them, rather than help them integrate.

 

 

To be quite blunt, if Turkey join the European Union, then the only thing that the Union will get is a very angry Britain, as there will be a flood of new immigrants for us to house.

 

I don't disagree with the EU ideal, but I disagree entirely with the execution of it.

[Theos Sairin]

I'd disagree almost entirely.

 

The European Union already allows practically unlimited immigration between it's member countries. The United Kingdom is getting a huge amount of it, and it putting stress on everything.

 

While the European ideal is admirable, the execution is a bureaucracy composed of red-tape and wasteful nonsense. I believe that the administration is handled in three separate places; Brussels (Belgium), Paris (France) and a city in Germany (that alas I cannot recall).

 

Immigration can help people to become friends with and learn about other societies, which is essential. However, the EU take this to the extreme, allowing immigrants into countries until there's a strain on the local services (provided by the domestic tax-payer). The amount of mainland European people that have made a home in the UK over the last few years beggars belief. Worse, they come over here to work, and then send the money home to their family who live where it's cheaper.

 

It puts a squeeze on everything, from the job market to the education system, and that has a knock-on effect on people's attitude towards European citizens. It does, in fact, make the people of the UK resent them, rather than help them integrate.

 

 

To be quite blunt, if Turkey join the European Union, then the only thing that the Union will get is a very angry Britain, as there will be a flood of new immigrants for us to house.

 

I don't disagree with the EU ideal, but I disagree entirely with the execution of it.

 

I agree, as it puts a huge stress on accomodation and jobs. Pretty much every single corner shop around will be run by someone from another country, who then in turn only hire family and friends. I know there are many businesses that only hire this way, but when every parade of shops has about 1 corner shop to every 10 normal shops it gets rediculous. For people between the age of 16-24 finding a job is REALLY hard.

 

Other than the retail market which, thankfully, is largely run and maintained by UK civilians, other markets can suffer greatly from immigration. Quite a lot of cinemas I see now hire foreigners, which seems to have increased in popularity over the last 5 years or so (to what I've noticed at any rate).

 

However some of the biggest work to suffer is those doing menial jobs... Cleaning, warehouses, loaders etc. which takes up a rather large amount of the work force of the UK. And no one even tries to apply for jobs in it these recent years because before that you would have pretty much no chance of getting a job. And even if you do get the job you will earn minimum pay for it, which for us UK civilians is not enough because we have to pay full whack for rent, whereas immigrants can get everything paid for them (the UK's immigration system is a subject of huge debate in my opinion). And as tea said, they send the money home to their families where things are cheaper, and rely on the money they get from benefits for being an immigrant to live over here, which in turn as a HUGE knockon affect on our countries economy, there's more money going out then rotating around the country which is one of the causes of inflation.

 

The UK gets the majority of immigrants from Europe because we have such a large work force base that is prepared to hire with no paperwork and because they are able to take advantage of our benefit system. And benefits are getting vastly reduced here to other people who desperately need it to make way for immigrants (thank you Conservatives!).

 

If Turkey were to join the European Union it would get even worse in every aspect. I hate the immigration laws in Europe as we get the shit from it, plain and simple, hence why I don't agree with it. I think the EU works, but NOT in immigration.

 

And as for uniting against world class threats, every country with a good army (UK's being one of the best in the world) will unite together to fight. That's just the way things are I guess.

[Carr D' Argo]

Wook have nothing against you, you're a great admin in the game and I always respect you as such. But it is right to be mutual respect.

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That's why I mentioned Turkey. When we say that the Chinese have the world, nobody would be surprised or amazed. But do you notice that the same thing now goes for Turks. In my country live very many Turks, but this is due to some extent in our history. Thanks to the EU today Turks literally given the green light to all countries in Europe.

 

I have nothing against Turkey, they are a great country and great people. If they enter the EU will not need anymore, Turks to become Bulgarian citizens to reach Europe, the influx would be staggering. All this leads naturally to our beloved democracy that allows it. I'm not saying there should be a socialist, but there must be management and part of it.

 

Today and last country of socialism for many years in Europe, became note in the far right party. This is pure sign that Europe is becoming one America, one Russian, one great power. Absolutely not agree with this future, has no intention of my history and your country to be suppressed and turned into one state.

 

In this line of thought even know who will light the fuse for this. Taliban! Numerous attacks that Europe now receives from them forcing countries to become more uniform. EU joined the U.S. that Iran must suspend its production of nuclear bombs. Iran naturally lie and refused to stop its nuclear policy.

[PSPHaxZone]

Its not the EU that bothers me...its Russia. They have somehow grown back into a sizeable threat, sending their fleet of bombers across the world in an attempt to show their might again (several of them intercepted near our (Canadian) air space). Now....I know what ur thinking:

 

"eeek, russia sucks....hurr durr"

 

please remember that A: Russia has more nukes then any country (a wopping 7000)

B: Russia is not 'Democratic' per say

C: As much as we want to not believe, Russia still hates the US

and D: Their Millitary matches the US (perhaps even larger then the US Army)

 

 

 

Yea, they did go bankrupt after the Cold War, but since then, they have recovered and are beginning to rebuild both their political stance, and their millitary.

 

off topic: let the comments begin....

[Carr D' Argo]

Much can be said for Russia and the USA. This is a topic that does not fit and would not want to start, because here there are Americans and Russians and the situation becomes not good. We talk more about the creation of the third great power, although it is China and Iran are great powers, so it may be wrong to count on. But one historian has said that the biggest mistake of Hitler that was fought against U.S. and Russia simultaneously. Nobody knows how many missiles Russia has, for all their rocket move constantly. At the same time no one knows how many missiles there America, because they are not in America.

[PSPHaxZone]

Nobody knows how many missiles Russia has, for all their rocket move constantly. At the same time no one knows how many missiles there America, because they are not in America.

 

 

actually, my stats are right...it isnt the exact number, but its close, and that was according to the UN, the US has about 1000 (low number because of Obama's "End of Nuclear Weapons" campaign and dozens of summits in the 80's and 90's) And the US has never had nukes in other countries that were permanment since the Cold War, There was the Nuclear Umbrela during that time, but it was something totallly different. And yes....US Naval ships are armed with nukes, and do frequently go to ports outside their country, however, they never stay their for long, and they disarm the nukes before they arrive there.

 

BTW...yea....u can say that the US isn't very democratic either, and that the US hates Russia, but that is the outcome of the Cold War, and partly WW2, Both countries suffered from Detente, and they still suffer from it, and yet they still spend millions for their Defence, its only natural for 2 groups to compete to see whos the strongest

[Ivaj]

I'd disagree almost entirely.

 

The European Union already allows practically unlimited immigration between it's member countries. The United Kingdom is getting a huge amount of it, and it putting stress on everything.

 

While the European ideal is admirable, the execution is a bureaucracy composed of red-tape and wasteful nonsense. I believe that the administration is handled in three separate places; Brussels (Belgium), Paris (France) and a city in Germany (that alas I cannot recall).

 

Immigration can help people to become friends with and learn about other societies, which is essential. However, the EU take this to the extreme, allowing immigrants into countries until there's a strain on the local services (provided by the domestic tax-payer). The amount of mainland European people that have made a home in the UK over the last few years beggars belief. Worse, they come over here to work, and then send the money home to their family who live where it's cheaper.

 

It puts a squeeze on everything, from the job market to the education system, and that has a knock-on effect on people's attitude towards European citizens. It does, in fact, make the people of the UK resent them, rather than help them integrate.

 

 

To be quite blunt, if Turkey join the European Union, then the only thing that the Union will get is a very angry Britain, as there will be a flood of new immigrants for us to house.

 

I don't disagree with the EU ideal, but I disagree entirely with the execution of it.

 

I was not talking about the internal immigration in europe I was talking about immigration from outside of europe in order to solve the upcoming demographic issue with an old population.

I am however a strong supporter of free immigration between all countries in the world. People must be allowed to make their living wherever they like. That's an important principal to support.

[GothicDream]

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[SonicPants]

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[Carr D' Argo]

I was not talking about the internal immigration in europe I was talking about immigration from outside of europe in order to solve the upcoming demographic issue with an old population.

I am however a strong supporter of free immigration between all countries in the world. People must be allowed to make their living wherever they like. That's an important principal to support.

 

Agreed. Even talking about forced migration of Gypsies from France the to Balkans .